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#013 – From a Financial Analyst at a commercial bank to a Park Ranger of a National Forest, and then to podcast partner with Lee Cockerell of Disney Mega-Fame… Jody Maberry has quite the story to tell.

But more than just an interesting story are the lessons Jody learned as he became intentional in writing his story and living the life he wanted.

Those same lessons will bring power and opportunity to your life.

Tune in to discover…

  • How much time Jody invested into transitioning to a career with purpose… and would you be willing to do the same?
  • What hundreds of people have said to Jody when they hear he was a Park Ranger, and how it directly applies to what you should do next.
  • Why this perfect example could change your teenager’s life and have them looking to you as their hero, rather than the latest social media influencer or movie star.
  • And much more…


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Resources Mentioned:

  • Podcasts
    • The Jody Maberry Show
    • Creating Disney Magic, with Lee Cockerell

Jody Maberry 0:04

It's all a story. Your life is a story. And you can decide to write it yourself. You can play the character you want to play. You don't have to play the character people told you you are.

Joe Pomeroy 0:20

Hey, everybody, welcome to today's episode of the Forward with Joe Pomeroy podcast. I'm very excited to have guest Jody Maberry on the show today. Jody is a marketing consultant, public speaker, business coach, podcast coach. And my favorite way of knowing Jody is a master storyteller. Jody I could listen to you for days on end and all the stories you have so welcome. excited to have you here.

Jody Maberry 0:43

Joe, it is my treat to be here. And the funny thing about being on your show Forward with Joe Pomeroy the name of my show was almost backward with Jody Maberry. So it's

Joe Pomeroy 0:55

it's so coincidental.

Jody Maberry 0:57


Joe Pomeroy 0:58

Are you serious?

Jody Maberry 0:59


Joe Pomeroy 0:59

No, that wouldn't make any sense. What am I talking about? No Good grief. Oh, jokester extraordinaire Jody Maberry. Guys, this is gonna be a fun chat today. So Jody, I know you haven't always been the podcast pro that you are today. But Have you always been a master storyteller?

Jody Maberry 1:16

Well, I don't I don't know if that's even how I describe myself. But you know, I used to be a park ranger. And that's, that's what you do as a park ranger. You tell stories to what now whether it's a kid on a trail, whether you're giving a campfire talk or I was a law enforcement, Ranger, whether you're just trying to get someone to obey the rules, that's what you're doing is telling a story. And it's a profession where interpretation is a big deal. So you get trained in interpretation, and I have always had a fondness for telling story. So you combine those two and this is the product you get, I guess.

Joe Pomeroy 1:55

Well, that seems like a natural fit for who I know you as a storyteller to be a park ranger. And convey those messages. But I want to hear I want you to share more of your story because I know you didn't start as a park ranger. And if people heard where you started the idea that you ended up as a park ranger and then doing what you're doing now, it's just it's a stretch. So where did you start your career? How did you start things out in the business life?

Jody Maberry 2:18

That's probably a good way to describe it. It's a stretch. If someone was going to make a storyline, they wouldn't include some of these details because it just doesn't make sense. But I started as a financial analyst at a commercial bank. I sat at a desk I wore shirt and tie. I measured interest rate risk. That's that's what I did. That was the main thing and I bought and sold money for the bank was the other piece. And it was about as exciting as you would think it would be. But, but I had a boyhood dream of always being a park ranger that I never thought I would do. And one day we were moving into our new house. We had just built a house and a friend helped us move And she worked for parks and she said, You know, they're they're hiring Park Rangers. And I set the box down and I said, Okay, I'm gonna do it

Joe Pomeroy 3:08

just like that?

Jody Maberry 3:09

Yeah, I had no idea what would be involved. And it was, it was a year long process. Because first, even though I had two degrees, a Bachelor's in marketing, a Bachelor's in finance, I didn't have enough credit to natural science. So they said, Sorry, you don't qualify. So I said, Well, I'll just go back to school then. So I was a banker. By day and night, I went to school, and it was a type of environment where I couldn't tell them what I was doing. or they'd say, well, you're not serious about this. So right. I had to do it in secret. And that took a year but six months into it. They allowed me to apply to become a park ranger because I had enough credits I could show I was going to school and that process because it was a law enforcement position. That takes a while to get hired. There's a lot of background checks and so forth. So it took me a year to Become a park ranger. And I showed up the first day and oh my goodness, I couldn't. I thought I knew what being a park ranger would be. And then my very first day someone drowned in the river. Oh, and I thought this is not chipmunks on your shoulder and hugging trees. It really was, it was a wonderful, wonderful job being a park ranger, but there is a lot more of dealing with that than I thought there would be or you might think there would be. I especially didn't think it would come on the very first day, right. But I was arranged for eight years and it was wonderful. Unless you don't like being outdoors, then it's probably a terrible job.

Joe Pomeroy 4:40

So I can't relate with the idea of going from being a financial analyst and having that background to a decision while moving and you know, set the box down and go, boom, I'm gonna do that. And now suddenly, Park Ranger. I mean, there's such a vast difference there. But there's two things you mentioned that I think are highly relatable, and one is you had a boy His dream of doing something and then found yourself on a path that was radically different from that. And so I want to come back to that. And actually let's chat about that because the second one slipped my mind that's been happening a lot lately. I think of like multiple things and I'm like Riley remember the first so I need some more ginkgo biloba or something like that. So. So tell me about this idea of you have a boyhood dream you have something where you're starting at? Why didn't you pursue that boyhood dream? How did you end up somewhere so radically different from that?

Jody Maberry 5:31

I can't say I ever really gave it serious thought that I can do this. I will do this. I will become a park ranger. What planted it again was once I was in college I got involved in I went to Illinois State University and I got involved in the outdoor program. And I became a trip leader with them and we did some fabulous trips, including one to Yellowstone in the winter, which that's that's its own story and That made me think, Oh my goodness, I've just spent years now heading towards getting degrees in business. But that kind of rekindled it in this way. But I'm so deep into it. I just went with what I was going towards. But the thing is when you're a financial analyst, and there's a lot of jobs like this, but I won't call any others out at the moment. If I do my job really well, who benefits just some shareholders maybe, but it was still fine. It was it wasn't a bad job. I didn't dislike it. But it was when my granny passed away. And I went home for the funeral. And I came back and I thought it just, it doesn't make sense to keep doing something that I don't feel does doesn't matter. And then that was around the same time where my friend mentioned Park Ranger, and I said, Well, that's it. I'm going to do it. So that I don't know why I didn't pursue it other than I never really thought through it. Is it possible, but I will tell you this in the eight years I was a park ranger, probably 200 times somebody had a story that went like this. I always wanted to be a park ranger but and then who knows, you know, I did what my parents wanted me to whatever the the details after the but change. But that is something that so many people wanted to do at one point and I still get that when people find out I used to be a park ranger. I still get it. I always wanted to be a park ranger. And it's just one of those iconic American jobs. Yeah, it's the closest you can get to be in Mickey Mouse, I guess.

Joe Pomeroy 7:40

Well, I remember growing up watching Yogi Bear and things like that. And so I chuckled when you talked about chipmunks on your shoulder and hugging trees and stuff. But I that phrase that people said I always wanted to be a park ranger, but I would imagine that there's a lot of professions we could substitute in that you're right that the park ranger opportunity is something that That's, you know, iconic, I think especially in American culture, but just break down that phrase to, I always wanted to do X, but fill in the excuse fill in the reason. So that that's interesting. And I can look back and think how many years of my life did I carry that mindset with me that I carry that idea. So I love the courage and what you're willing to do to drop the but I always wanted to be a park ranger period, and then take action. I remember the other thing I was gonna bring up, you talked about wanting to pursue something different. And yet you had to do it in secret that if the company found out that could have a negative impact, and I think there's a lot of people that find themselves in that position that maybe feel stuck, maybe and you even mentioned stuck in your when you were in college and talking about that saying, Yeah, but I've already invested so many hours and so much time into this one path. You know, if I switch that's just a waste what How can I I can't do that. So there's that element of being stuck. And then this idea, well, I'd love to pursue this side hustle or or different avenue or go back to school to become a park ranger, whatever it happens to be. But man, if I get caught that could be detrimental to my current career, my current ability to provide. So there's all these different pieces that can cause us to feel stuck. So what gave you the courage to not allow yourself to be stuck?

Jody Maberry 9:26

There are a couple of things that played into it at the time. We didn't have kids yet. I was married but we didn't have kids. So it wasn't that risky yet. We did have a house and a mortgage and all that. So yeah, there was some downside but I think that was part of it. Realizing, if I don't go for it now, it's never going to happen. And I'm going to end up like so many people I know here at the bank that are wonderful, lovely people, but they never meant to work the bank for 25 years. It was just a job they took to pay the bills before They could do what they really wanted to do. And then 25 years later, they're still there. I think that happens a lot. And I was young enough to realize I didn't want that to happen to me. And probably good enough at what I did that it could have easily happened, because it would have been comfortable to just stick around and and do that. So that was that was one and then doing it in secret. Well, that takes persistence. Because it's really easy. If you can't talk about something you're pursuing. You know, that takes some of the fun out of it. Of course it does. But if you believe in enough and believe in yourself enough and you can stick with it that that's something that maybe a lot of people don't don't realize that some of the stuff that you want to do. Yeah, it's it's really hard but if you stick with it, it's it's a big leap. If you look at it all at once, but if you just look at it in the steps, each little step is is not as bad and maybe something like that is Harder today than it used to be. I don't know we seem to move pretty fast these days so sticking to something for a year not knowing how it's going to turn out. Yeah, it's it's not easy but if you really believe in it and you want to make something happen then go for it and and I actually, I grew up in Illinois, and I left Illinois at 23 moved to Washington State I had no job no prospects few hundred dollars in my pocket, that was it, and I just went for it. Ah, so I have a kind of a track record of just doing doing that. And it tends to work out every once in a while it might not but it tends to work out.

Joe Pomeroy 11:41

Alright, so you come home to your you're married at the time, no kids, you come home to your wife and say, Hey, PS, I no longer want to pursue this banking career. I want to be a park ranger and she passes out or she gives you a high five or what?

Jody Maberry 11:54

Well, she said, Go for it. And you have to I look back and I think Okay, from her perspective, maybe this doesn't work out and you don't want to say don't go for it. I've never asked her about that. But, you know, maybe there is this little piece where she thinks, what are the chances that's really going to happen?

Joe Pomeroy 12:14

He'll change his mind in two weeks.

Jody Maberry 12:15

Yeah, that's right. And I went for it and, and it happened and but then it gets tougher because she was a school teacher. I got a job in Spokane clear on the other side. So six hours, six and a half hours away from home, but she can't come with me. So we had to spend a year apart where I came home every weekend. So I would work in Spokane and then drive home on my days off. Wow. And that was, that was a luxury we had because we didn't have kids yet. We could do that. And looking back. If I knew what a struggle that would be. I don't know if I would have done it. But I'm glad I did. Because things turned out well. So sometimes there's value in not knowing how things are gonna turn out. How hard it might be if you just go for it you find out along the way

Joe Pomeroy 13:04

Yeah, there's a friend of mine shared a quote or a concept that the sword will never be grateful for the fire and the hammering on the anvil but I will always be grateful for what that turned it into. Yeah. And I'm totally killing what his my paraphrase is killing his paraphrase but I think it gets the idea across. So you said something i thought was interesting you talked about because you didn't have kids being able to do that was a luxury, you know that six and a half hours away was a luxury. But whether you have kids or not, that still has the potential to be at best case scenario. You know, a minimal strain with growing experiences worst case scenario, too much stress on a soon to be ending marriage. So what did you and your wife do during that time to make sure that it would be the best case scenario and helping guys become stronger and grow closer together?

Jody Maberry 14:02

I think trying to make sure we talked as much as we could was one me I, in that whole time I missed coming home once. So I came home no matter what the weather was like crossing the mountains, it didn't matter. I came home every time and I think once she came over to where I was, so usually it was me coming home, I tried my best to not put the burden of it on her. I was the one that moved across state for a job, the burden should be on me. And when I was home I just said hey, this is about this is about her it's not about me. So whatever she wants to do, however I can help, I'll do it. And it's it worked out well for them as well as it could i mean it's it's never easy, being that far apart for that long, right. But yeah, it worked out well. I just think you have to be deliberate about it. You have to do things on purpose. Because if you don't well now becomes easy to not call home tonight. Well, there's some friends that other Park Rangers, they want to do something on my days off. So maybe I could do that. And you just have to understand what's important and stick with that. And and that's what I did. But it also brought up other challenges. By the time my wife moved to Spokane, I'd had to live there for a year. I had friends, I had places I went things I did, and then she was just introduced to it. So it was her kind of adding on to what I already had going rather than it being our thing. So I imagined that piece was rough on her too.

Joe Pomeroy 15:34

I hadn't even thought about that aspect. I thought about the during the time that you guys were apart, but that makes a lot of sense. And and I think as a, you know, as an entrepreneur, as a business owner, I get very wrapped up in what's going on with my business. And if I don't include my wife and have these conversations, I mean, I have mastermind that I'm a part of I have events that I go to, and what am I doing to make sure that you know, she's not an outsider to this world. So I'm in as I'm saying that I'm trying to think. And I thought, well, you know, there's been, you know, people in my mastermind that when they came to Phoenix last spring, you know, had my wife come, or I guess it was this last fall, my wife cam came out and brought the kids and we all had a lunch together. So she got to meet some of these people face to face. And but that's interesting, because I hadn't thought about that aspect of creating your own world that your spouse isn't a part of, and what that might be like or feel like for them?

Jody Maberry 16:29

Yeah, it is. It's another example of how you have to be deliberate about something and you you have to keep up because your spouse wants to know what's going on and be involved and support you. So you, you have to make it possible for your spouse to do that. And the other thing to look at is I know, guys like us that are entrepreneurs that get to travel, go to conferences, go places to do great work, and we come now, this has happened to me sometimes it's not a regular thing, but I think Hear regularly that, gosh, I come home, and I don't, I don't feel appreciated. You know? Let's just say it as we want our family to make a big deal of us when we finally get back, and it doesn't happen. And my thought on that is, well, what are you doing to make them be excited that you're home other than walking in the door that's not special? You walk into the door? What are you doing to make sure they are happy that you're home. So you just have to be deliberate. You have to do things on purpose, because something's going to happen. Your family culture is going to get built one way or the other. So you might as well do it on purpose.

Joe Pomeroy 17:37

And that's the other side of the coin. Sure, there's a part where I'm creating this entrepreneur life and how can I make sure my my wife's involved, but if I make my business, my number one, and that's got my best focus, my best attention, my best energy, and I'm not being deliberate and how I'm involved in the development of my own family culture, well, then I'm going to be a stranger to that. They're going to have different Have these you know, their own elements and things that they're doing and you know, my daughter in school or my kids and their games they like playing or activities they're involved in and and i'm, i'm playing catch up as a dad, instead of being actively involved. I think that goes back to, I love the mindset and perspective you spoke to when you talked about the commitment you had, that you were going to be the one to drive across state. And when you were home on your days off, it was going to be about your wife and what she wanted. And it came from a perspective from what I gathered was a perspective that said, This is me pursuing my dream, and if my wife has the grace to support me in it, and the love and whatever to support me and allow me this opportunity, then when I'm not pursuing that, I'm going to make sure everything's about her. I'm going to show her that same side of equal value. And I've I've struggled with that, to be honest, I've had times where I'm like, it's crossed my mind. And I thought, well, doesn't she understand how hard this is? Doesn't she understand the pressure? I'm under, like, she should be willing to do XYZ around the house so that I don't have to think about that. I've got to catch myself in those moments and say, How dare I think that How dare I challenge what how is she supporting me? While she's allowing me to, to pursue and enjoy and love this dream business that I'm creating?

Jody Maberry 19:24

Yeah. And you're, you're right on we all of us guys. Maybe I can't speak for women. I don't know if female entrepreneurs go through that. But I know the guys do that we start to think we're a little too special. And think, Why doesn't she support me more? Why doesn't she do this? Well, she is she's making it possible for you to do what you do. And, Joe, I'm sure you've gone through this too. But I have passed up some incredible opportunities, whether it be for trips, whether it be to work with or for certain people, and I say no, I can't because I see Still have kids at home, I still have to be around for my wife and I pass things up. I know I could do in business, I could do much better than I am. Now I'm doing well, but I could do much better. And I deliberately have chose not to buy, say no to opportunities that would take me from what's more important.

Joe Pomeroy 20:20

Are those decisions you've made ahead of time? Have you established those boundaries with your wife or in your family to say, this is how I'm going to prioritize things? These are the opportunities I'll accept. And those are the ones I won't?

Jody Maberry 20:32

No not exactly. But here's how I've always looked at it, that we are the main characters in our own story. And what if we have to tell the story to our kids when they're 20? And then I have to say, Well, yeah, I know. I know. You want to mess around but my goodness, Joe really wanted me to do this thing and Phoenix and it seemed like such a good opportunity. Are you gonna say it seems Like a better thing to do than be at your swim meet. That's a tough when you put it that's a tough story.

Joe Pomeroy 21:06

put it that way. That sounds terrible. But that's never the way that it it's crossed my mind. I've never put it in those terms. But in actuality, that's what you're doing. You're taking two opportunities and prioritizing them. I love the idea that the Your life is a story. And I think that fits very well and my relationship and what I know about you Jody yet as a storyteller, so tell us more about this idea of my role in my own story. I've got my life, I've got my business, I've got my family. What's my role in that? How do I play the best role in that?

Jody Maberry 21:38

So what gave me this idea, at least part of the idea there's a few things that have played into it. After I left being a park ranger and I had a regular job again, I think it maybe a year into it I just settled into a routine was probably a boring guy, and I read the book a million miles and 1000 years. Or maybe it's vice versa by Donald Miller. And the idea of your life being a screenplay, and I thought, oh my goodness, if if someone was writing this screenplay, that's not gonna do very well. And so that was one idea, just understanding that but here's the other thing is I write ever, my son is 15 from the well 15 in one month, so for 15 years and one month, every single day, I've written a letter to my son. And then when my daughter came, I write to both of them. It's in a journal, and I write every day for 15 years. So what doing that does is you understand that it is all a story to me, it literally is all story because I've written it down every single day. So if it's not something you would want to write down in your story that your kids are going to read someday, then I probably shouldn't do it. If you can't explain it. As in this was the best thing for our family. Probably shouldn't do it. So that's how, that's how I do view it is that it is part of a story and things don't tell, then here's the third piece. Things don't just happen to us, a lot of us and I've been like this a couple times in my past you just wait for things to happen and then you react but my goodness, if if you're part of if you play the big roll in your story, you make those decisions. I made the decision to go to Spokane and then I could from there I could have said hey, I'm over. I'm six and a half hours away. I can't come home every week. That's that's ridiculous driving all those miles all those hours. But no, that's that's not the story. I want to tell. I want to tell the story that my wife was important enough. My marriage was important enough. I drove home every weekend. Even if I only got to spend one night I was driving home. And that's the same thing. You want to tell the story that to your kids. You were important enough to me I was there for the swim meets instead of off doing something that would have made me feel a little Better, I was there at your swimming. I end up in Orlando a lot. And I was actually at pod fest where I saw you there, Joe. And the right after that I had another conference. And it made perfect sense to stay in Orlando for two weeks straight, except my son's birthday was right in the middle. And I flew all the way home to Seattle for a day to be home for my son's birthday, and flew all the way back. Wow. In a lot of ways, it makes no sense. No sense to do that, except I get to tell the story. You were important enough to me that I flew all the way home so I would not miss your birthday.

Joe Pomeroy 24:37

And that's a powerful story. Those are the kinds of stories because, to be honest, the first thought I had was, well, that's that's like twice as expensive. The most one of the most expensive parts of traveling is the airfare and you're doing that and but man, I mean, the impact that that would have on your son, especially it was that your 15 year old son? Yes. Okay, so especially as a teenager, it's such an influential time. Trying to figure out value and what am i worth? And where do I get my value from? to have his dad do that? I mean that the value of that we talk a lot, you know, in business, you talk a lot about price and value and how do you increase the value to justify the price and whatever else, but it's like, the value that would come from that decision radically outweighs the price of an extra round trip. Yeah, that's powerful. I like that.

Jody Maberry 25:26

Yeah. And my one of the people I consider my mentor, I've worked with him for years now, but he's become so much more than me is Lee Cockerell, and he had a similar story that I actually didn't know until I told him, Hey, I'm flying home, but I'll be right back. Is he when he worked for Marriott? He was in Japan opening a new hotel. And he flew all the way home from Japan to go to one of his son's football games, and then flew back to Japan. Wow. And, and he said, all his co workers that were there said You're crazy. It's just a football game. And he said, No, it's not just a football game. It's Daniels football game, and I will be there.

Joe Pomeroy 26:06

I don't think you make those decisions in the spur of the moment. I think that's and you said something that's important because when you were first starting to talk about this idea of Well, do you really want to tell that story to your kids? if I'm being honest, I had this defense mechanism that came up that went well, but I shouldn't care about what others think. And I shouldn't care about whether or not other people want to see my my movie or read my story. Like it's my life and about me, but I mean, that's, that's just a defense mechanism. Because the reality is, is you said the story I want to tell. So then that becomes a decision that I need to make in advance. What is the story that I want to tell? Who is the character that I want to be the protagonist that I want to be in my own life story? And then Am I making decisions that are in line with what that character myself would do? And if I've decided that my number one priority, or that my kids are higher prioritized against my work or against conferences or against the cost of a plane ticket, it becomes an easy or a simple perhaps is a better word. A simple decision to make. There's no debate. The only question is, okay, what what airline Do I go on? But it's simple to make, because that's what my character would do in the story. I want to tell.

Jody Maberry 27:27

Yeah, you're right on and when you look at it that way, it doesn't matter what other people think. And you are the one that gets to decide who that character is. It doesn't come from other people's opinion of you, but comes from what you believe and what you want to create. And you that's the wonderful thing you get to write that story.

Joe Pomeroy 27:47

Yeah, I love that. The other thought I had is you brought up Lee Cockerell and I thought it was cool that you did that before knowing that he had done that because that reminded me of correct me. If I wrong but I believe it's Jim Rohn with the quote about we're like the five people we spend the most time with Yeah Do you remember that quote better than what I just destroyed?

Jody Maberry 28:08

Yeah, I do.

Joe Pomeroy 28:12

So the idea then because you you've been associated with Lee you talked about him being a mentor and so when we surround ourselves I mean a protagonist in a good story depending on the characteristics he you know, you want to have as the protagonist and where you're going and what you're doing, who you're you're surrounding yourself with those people that's going to influence you know, whether you know, King Arthur had the Knights of the Round Table, you know, he didn't go and hang out at the pubs and the bars or the taverns and and decide that you know, that's how I'm going to be the ruler of Camelot. Good grief. I'm going like medieval I've already talked about swords and anvils and hammering and now we're going into Camelot, King Arthur. But I love this idea of this this story and do you feel like the people you've surrounded yourself with to help develop the story you want to write?

Jody Maberry 29:00

Oh, definitely. Yeah, I have surrounded myself with some just incredible people. And there there is. So this is where one of the ways that impacted me as well is when I started working with Lee, it was like, oh my now I have to be good enough to be the guy that works with the retired Executive Vice President of Walt Disney World. So I was good enough because we work together. If I wasn't good, he wouldn't have started working with me. Yeah. But then I had to always make sure I was good enough. And I had to always believe I was good enough. And that kind that was a great prompt to me that, hey, when you put yourself around good people, you you have to live up to it. And that alone is going to push you to become better.

Joe Pomeroy 29:48

Yeah. There's a mindset perspective in there living up to that, do I see that as pressure or a demand on myself or do I see that as an opportunity? And a gift. And I'm curious, because you talked about, you talked about two things, you know, you had to be good enough, and you had to believe you were good enough. And the interesting thing is, I'm going to take a guess here. And if I'm wrong, tell me, I'm wrong. But Lee already knew you had the skills to do what he needed. That's why he wanted to work with you. And so the skill was already there. Was it the belief that developed by who you surrounded yourself with?

Jody Maberry 30:27

that that did come from it, because if somebody and think of how this flows the other way, too, if somebody puts enough trust in you to say, Hey, we're going to work together, I have faith in you that we're going to do this, then you do live up to it. So then look at that. The other way to which I know isn't what you asked, but think of the influence you can have on people by doing that. If you tell someone else Look, I believe in you enough to do this. You've just changed their life. It goes a long way.

Joe Pomeroy 30:59

Yeah. Well, it's The same tie back to your son and flying back for his birthday. It's the showing value showing important showing priority within others. And that's something that we can do intentionally and being deliberate. I mean, that's you've been talking about being deliberate from the very start, where opportunities that you find with what you're doing now to be deliberate in you being the Lee Cockerell for somebody else, and you being the person that reaches out and says, hey, I've seen this skill within you, or this is something that you can do. How are you doing those things with your business and career and reaching out to others to be deliberate bringing out their own greatness?

Jody Maberry 31:38

Well, one of the ways I have found I can do that is helping people with podcasting, because everybody has a story. They just need a little help telling it. So I spent a lot of time helping people whether it's paid, you know, I have a podcasting course and all that. Yes, I do that. But also I have a lot of people that reach out and say, Hey, I just don't i don't Don't know where to start. And I say, hey, easier than you think. Check this out. Or even somebody that's gone through the podcast course and say I was on the verge and now self doubt got ahold of me. I recorded a couple episodes, but I just don't believe it's good. And I'll share the story if so here this is how it started. For me, I recorded six episodes of my very first show the park leader show six episodes now the average length of podcast lasts is seven episodes before people quit. I had already recorded six which is almost the hump and I didn't release them I held on to them for months for months because and I get it now I get how silly this sounds but back then it didn't seem silly, because I did not like the sound of my voice.

Joe Pomeroy 32:51

And it is silly it from my perspective because you have a very soothing voice and we've had face to face conversations and but even like hearing you through the Bible, microphone in my headphones. It's very soothing. How do you not like that Jodi, come on?

Jody Maberry 33:04

Well, here's the thing, I knew it was different, and different, seemed bad. And so I thought, I just I don't want to do this now that one of the most consistent compliments I get is because of my voice. And that show has helped the park leader show has helped so many people in their parks career, which led to so many other things. All of it almost didn't happen. Because I sat on those episodes for months. Now, what if I had released them six months sooner? What I where, wherever I'm going to be six months from now, maybe I would have been there six months ago. So just getting in touch with people that are struggling with something like that and say, Listen, I know it feels like it's you, but it's not you. All you got to do is get this out there. So being able to take your experience and your knowledge and just help people get over one hurdle. That doesn't mean you have to work with someone long term. Sometimes people just need a voice for a moment to say, Joe. It's alright, you can do this and it'll be okay. And it's probably gonna hurt for a little bit, but it'll be okay. And Joe will say, Alright, Jody said that I'm gonna go for it. And sometimes that's all people need. So I look for opportunities like that, where I can reach out and give people encouragement, and then even small things. And Joe, I don't know if you would remember this. And I don't know why I remember this. But at podfest, one time, I was kind of in a rush because I told someone, I would be there to see them speak. And you stopped me in the hallway. And you know, I don't want to be the guy that says, Sorry, Joe, too busy for you and move on. And and I stopped and I talked to you for a couple minutes and I said, Joe, I'm sorry, but I've got to go. I told him when I would be there. That's part of it, too. That's a deliberate decision by me that a of Joe ever stops. Now. I didn't name you by name when

Joe Pomeroy 34:55

I do remember that. By the way.

Jody Maberry 34:58

Yeah. If Joe ever stops me in the hallway, I'm going to stop and talk to him because maybe it'll make him feel good that I stopped to talk. Maybe he needed some words of encouragement. Maybe he needed directions to the bathroom. It's no skin off my back to stop for a couple minutes. And usually it's longer than a couple minutes that time I was kind of in a rush. But it's important enough to me that if someone wants to talk, I take a moment to do it, even if I'm on my way somewhere else. So don't underestimate the importance of just those little interactions that plays into the whole thing too. It doesn't have to be a relationship like what I have with Lee Cockerell, it can be as simple. Somebody says hi in the hallway, you just stop for a moment and talk to them. So that's how I look at it.

Joe Pomeroy 35:47

I love that and to allow people to see the other side of that at that event. I was feeling like a teeny tiny fish in a gigantic pond. I didn't know people that particular conference weekend, there were some things going on back at home, just activities and stuff that I was really I was homesick I was missing things. And so I don't think I thought about at the time, but as you're retelling the story, I look at it and go, you know if that would have gone differently, and somebody that I'd met before somebody that I've respected and you know, tried to reach out, try to get out of my comfort zone as an as an introvert. And they've been like, Oh, hey, how's it going? Sorry, I gotta go. Would I have gone to talk to the next person? Or would I have retreated back into my safe zone? And so that simple taking the time and having that quick conversation? One it it was a gift to me, because now I've got good to have you on my podcast. And so that's been fantastic. But it's just the impact it made is that instead of causing me or influence, I won't say causing because I'm still able to make my own choices. But instead of influencing me into perhaps retreating, it was an affirmation of sorts to then go have the next conversation and reach out to the next person and continue developing relationships. And so you're right. It doesn't have to be this long term mentorship like you have with Lee. It's these simple decisions that we can be deliberate about that are directly in line with a character we choose to be in the story we want to tell.

Jody Maberry 37:20

There you go. That's a great way to put it.

Joe Pomeroy 37:22

All right, my friend. Well, we are going to have how people can get ahold of you in the show notes. Jody Maberry, calm. You also have several podcasts. What's your biggest podcast that listeners can check out if they want to hear more stories from Jody Maberry?

Jody Maberry 37:36

Well, the biggest show is creating Disney magic. The one I do with Lee Cockerell that that has been a popular show for many years. But if you want something that's more me, check out the Jody Maberry show. I have a lot of fun with that one. It's different than than other shows. I do but I'm involved in some really fantastic shows. So if you check out any of them, I think you'll enjoy them.

Joe Pomeroy 37:58

Awesome. Well, we'll have both those in the show notes. So now a question I asked at the end of every episode. If you would like the listeners to take away one key principle from our conversation, what would that be?

Jody Maberry 38:09

Well, I want to touch on what we've skimmed over, well not skimmed over, but we keep coming back to it again and again, that it's all a story. Your life is a story. And you can decide to write it yourself. You can play the character you want to play. You don't have to play the character people have told you you are.

Joe Pomeroy 38:27

That's powerful. That's something that took me a long time to recognize does I get to choose that character. It's not about what other people tell me. So thank you for reinforcing that. Thank you for the insights you've shared. It's been fantastic having you on the show, and I look forward to talking with you again soon Jody thank you.

Jody Maberry 38:43

Thank you, Joe.

Joe Pomeroy 38:48

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