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#020 – Are you confused or frustrated by the path you’re on? Do you feel like you’re trying to move in the right direction but not getting the results you want?

Mark Delaney, speaker and mentor, shares tools you can apply today to carve out two essential elements to finding peace in the chaos.

Discover:

  • What to do before you buy one more book or take one more course.
  • Why your best advisor is not the famous guru you follow.
  • How to set the foundation for lasting success in your life.

Thank you for listening! And please share the linkthank you for your support.

Always Forward,

Joe

Resources Mentioned:

  • Website: Markdelaney.me
  • Social Media channels: markdelaney.me
  • Podcast: My Life Platform

Joe Pomeroy

Hey everybody, welcome to this week's episode of the Forward with Joe Podcast. I'm excited to have guest Mark Delaney with us. Mark is a speaker, trainer and coach. He believes there are two things that nobody should live without. And he told me what those were. But you guys are gonna have to wait till we talk. Welcome, Mark. Sure happy to have you on the show today.

Mark Delaney

I'm looking forward to this. Thanks for having me.

Joe Pomeroy

Awesome. Well, let's get into it. Because I know I want to hear more about the two things that nobody should live without. And I'm sure those that are getting teased. They just they just want to know what those things are. But so let's get into it. Tell us about your story. Tell us about who you are and what it is that you do, Mark.

Mark Delaney

My wife and I have been in the business of building people our entire adult lives. So almost 30 years now, whether in churches and schools in the community. In the last three years, we've started a new mission. There's a couple of coaching programs we do that, that basically helps people find two things one is powerful love With the people in their life, and meaningful purpose, those are the two things that I believe that no one should live without, and no one has to live without. Matter of fact, when you have great love, and you have meaningful purpose, it's amazing how happy and and engaged you can begin your life, even without the truck of your dreams. Matter of fact, you might stop dreaming of a truck. And you might stop dreaming of houses when you have great love, and meaningful purpose. So everything we've done in the last three years, this new mission we're on, it's really just come out of our life. It really wasn't a dream. Oh, we never dreamed of being an entrepreneur. A lot of what we're doing now sounds like entrepreneurial work. We're really just on a mission. That guy told me the other day he's like, Man, you're doing what everyone dreams of doing your own thing. I was like, No, I never dreamed of do my own thing. Like that's the last thing I want to do. And Matter of fact, that's a stupid dream. Like what what is it? mean to dreams do your own thing like no one does their own thing. We are all working to serve the world.

Joe Pomeroy

That's true. Because if you're doing your own thing, I mean, that's highly isolated, you're by yourself that suggests that you can accomplish whatever it is you want to accomplish without anyone else involved. And that doesn't exist.

Mark Delaney

It does not exist.

Joe Pomeroy

Yeah, I'm an entrepreneur, I'm building this thing. But whatever message I'm sharing whatever it is that I'm doing, it goes nowhere. If I stay on my own, like, I've got to have other people as part of that conversation.

Mark Delaney

Yeah. And the longer we try to, like, prove ourselves to the world we do on our own and our own strength, own abilities. We're in trouble. I think one of the greatest lessons I ever taught, I was a teacher for years. And in the last year, I taught I caught myself saying something to the students. And after I said it, I was like, wait, what did that just mean that I said, and I told them, I was probably 44 at the time. I said, Listen, there is no Nothing I've done in my life that I deserve the credit for. And we were it was in a lesson that had to do with listen talents, not enough people, you know, there's so many things you rely on on life like other people and, and I said that. And I thought, well, does that make me sound lame? Then I was like, no. Like, there's nothing we do in life that we, that we get the credit for, nor do we need the credit for accomplishing something on our own, and to be set free from trying to prove something to people, and instead just to give yourself to people, and people give themselves back to you. And things happen in your life, not because of Oh, look what I did. I think most of the great things that happen in their life is because of the people that we're engaging with the people that we're loving and they love us back and in our life begins to bear fruit. Not because we're making something happen, but because we're posturing our heart to allow something to happen.

Joe Pomeroy

I love that there's there's so much truth and wisdom in there. And I think when we try to grab hold of that credit, we don't have a real service minded focus. So much of what we hear from, you know, business gurus and experts, especially in the online world and online business and build your audience and grow your business and do all these things. At least the ones that I follow are a very service oriented, outward oriented thing. But if I am building a course, or I'm offering a membership, or I'm selling my book, and my core intent is that, well, Mark, you need to read my book because you're gonna realize how amazing it is and I am going to save your marriage and I am going to help you scale your business. Like there's I that's so gross. It's not gonna do anything for you. So yeah,

Mark Delaney

it's interesting at the core of what you're talking about, is the difference between ownership and stewardship to look at our lives Think that we own the results in I'm going to make this happen, I'm going to make my life happen. It's like, No, none of us do that. We are much more of the results of, of the seeds that we sow and the things that people sow into us and we're not in control of the results and to think that I can go make this happen, I'm gonna go make my business happen. I'm going to make my name great. That posture it, we heard ourselves, I heard a story. Recently a interview with Apollo Ono, I believe is this name, Olympian speed skater. He said so clearly the interview he said, I knew that I could not control the results. like wait a second, this guy was an Olympian. Of course you control this. He clearly said, I knew I could not control the results. All I could do is enjoy the process and stay in the process. There's just something so healthy about that.

Joe Pomeroy

Alright, and that was about it. I was about to play devil's advocate to something. And he just spoke to that with that Apollo story. And I know for sure his first name is Apollo. Because I remember watching him do speedskating and being like, his name's Apollo. That's amazing. So, to play devil's advocate to this idea that if I'm looking to start a business, or my business is generating money and I'm looking to get it to match my current income at my at my job, so I can leave my job, all this idea of just give away and serve and do these things. It sounds so like nama stay pretty and wonderful. But it also, if I'm trying to put myself in those earlier stage shoes, say, Well, sure, Mark, that's great. Because you've already you've got the security of your income, you've got your business to where you want it to be. You're You're already helping all these people. So it's really easy for you to stay. But what about me at the beginning? What about me where I'm starting to so so what do we tell people? What do you tell people Mark? To those that they want to branch out, they want to build something but the idea of only giving without any idea of how it's going to pay them back. How do you address those fears? How do you address those worries?

Mark Delaney

Well, you know, you're tapping into something in me that just gets my heart all stirred up. We do this program called the purpose mastermind, where we help someone clarify their purpose. And the way we look at purpose is purpose is like the concrete foundation upon which you build a building. Before anyone looks at, I want to build this business, I want to be a life coach, I want to do this. That stuff is all above the surface. The stuff beneath the surface, that concrete foundation is what determines the long term effectiveness and whether or not this thing can stand. For instance, I was just coaching a guy yesterday. Now my kind of coaching is when I meet a guy somewhere either or not hike somewhere, or we were doing frisbee golf. And I was teaching him stewardship by teaching him how to throw a Frisbee. It's wonderful. But he talked about life coaching and someone now this is a great man who really understands stewardship of life. And someone approached him and said, You know, there's this, this guy that does life coaching, and he's looking for people to come underneath him and help be a part of that. And they approached me, this guy was an out there looking to become a life coach, which is probably why he'll do really well at it. The person that hungers that like, I want to do my own thing, I want to be a life coach, I want to, quite frankly, I would say 80% of those people should not even try to do what they want to do, because that country foundation is off. And that's some deep work. That's, I would just say this, you know, they say that what 70% of people are not engaged with their work. And so people will listen to all the messages that say you know, if you were your own boss, you would love it and you can be you can have financial freedom and time freedom. And so people who are disengaged with work, listen to that message and think yes, I, I should start my own business without recognizing or understanding some much deeper things like number one. Most people the reason they're disengaged with work is because how they look at work needs to change their job doesn't need to change how they look at it needs to change. And so, for instance, I was doing some speaking at a business and one of the, as a manufacturing business and one of the women afterward came to talk to me and I asked her, so what's your next step in life? What were you looking forward to? And she said, You know, I, I just in this next year, I want to I want to start my own thing. I want to be able to have control of my time and and have financial freedom and of course, anyone who started is trying to start a business understands that probably the last thing you'll have is time freedom. And after that financial freedom, like you're just, I mean, that's just crazy. And I talked to her I said, so you work your four days a week, you know, they work for longer days. I was like, that gives you the ability of having three other days, plus your evenings, to be able to dabble in all kinds of things. Like look at this job you have as an opportunity to enable you to do something on the side and see if you can do something with it. But I it's hard for me to answer your question. Because I think there's underlying things that people need to look at, like, first of all, until a person realizes that all work is serving other people. No work will satisfy in the thought that if I just stop working for this corporation, and I do my own thing, then works gonna be wonderful. It's not true. Yeah, until not until the heart is satisfied with my goal is to use my whatever services, abilities talents I have, I'm going to use it to serve people. Now once we're at that place, now we can strategize, okay, maybe you could do your own thing, maybe you could do some coaching. But until the heart is satisfied with, I'm going to use my talents and abilities to serve others, were gonna have a hard time working anywhere, whether for someone or for ourself,

Joe Pomeroy

like that. So I'm a very visual person. And as you're describing these things, there's this image that gets created in my mind. And first, you talked about laying the foundation of a building to build upon that. That's understanding. And by the way, I love that you add adjectives that it's powerful love and meaningful purpose that it's not Yeah, it's not just love or purpose because there's lots of purposes that come but what's the most meaningful so I've got this image in my mind as you started talking about a foundation and it's this field out, you know, in the middle of a meadow and the grounds cleared and it's Come, you know, country open land and, and there's this solid foundation, and there's a home that's being beginning to be built on it. And then you talk about the individual that doesn't understand that purpose. So the individual operating without that foundation, and instantly, I remember when I was a teenager, we had a cocker spaniel. And we take her camping with us, and she was hilarious in the meadows, any little grasshopper, any little butterfly that went by, she's just bouncing and hopping and going all around in this direction, that direction. And there was never, she didn't, she didn't have a purpose. She was just there to go chase whatever was the next most interesting thing. So I think the idea and what I appreciate about what you're saying is that we can't just chase whatever we think will satisfy. We have to understand within ourselves what it is. That is, you know, what is our meaningful purpose. What is that foundation And then we have the opportunity to build as appropriate. But that takes a lot of stress off too, right?

Mark Delaney

It really does. It totally does when we do the purpose mastermind with people. That's my favorite thing is it relieves the tension in the stress off of people's lives. Here's I just did a, I was consulting with a man today on a hike. We're going through this forest, that area. Once again, it's the best way to have conversation. And so I talked to him about what life is, life is like this dirt path that we're on. It is very simple to walk on this dirt path. Now there are hard parts where you have to climb up, but it's simple. I look down I see this dirt. I keep walking on dirt. But alongside of us are all these trees and bushes. And to me every tree in life has shiny objects that say you must have that You must buy to that you must go there, you must experience that. And it's all not evil stuff. It's just that it's just everywhere. And all of it says you must have that but the echo of you must have that is what you have isn't good enough. Every every shiny object says, Your life's not good enough until you have that. And so we can chase for a lifetime. In the whole time, there's this dirt path that leads to really treasure. Words like legacy, impact, meaning, you know, the kind of life you really want with the relationships you really want. Really pursuing something that matters we get, we can get so sidetracked we look off and there's that tree. We're shiny objects, and we can just drift off into the forest. And then what happens is when you're off in the forest, life is no longer simple. Because there's no path. Yeah, you're surrounded by trees, and you're surrounded by bushes, which are good hiding places, by the way. We can talk about that

Joe Pomeroy

for bad things and for yourself, right?

Mark Delaney

Yes, yes. And so then now when life gets complex, we humans get confused. And once we're confused, we do all kinds of crazy things in our relationships in our decision making. But the dirt path is just that in the purpose mastermind. We only have three meetings and then we help people just like Alright, here's your rules. When we come back next week, say your purpose. But in the second meeting, we talked about the path thinking, the eternal universal ways of thinking that will keep you on that dirt path that lead not to shiny objects, but a powerful legacy that I think we can all we can all live a life of legacy. But there's these mindsets and stewardship, we've talked about stewardship is one of them. I mean, I love talking about this stewardship. How about how about this stewardship? The results aren't up to me. Now that doesn't that flies right in the face of the American dream that says if it's meant to be, it's up to me. Yeah. When people say that they're like, Oh my gosh, you are a powerful human. Yeah. It's admit to be it's up to me. But think about I mean, on the front door, on this side of the door, that sounds exciting. walk through that door and try to play that out. That the results of my life are just totally up to me.

Joe Pomeroy

It's lonely and it's terrifying,

Mark Delaney

who it's stifling in it leads people to drug use, it leads us to deflated relationships, that when the results are not up to us, we can be bold and excited about what our part is. For instance, stewardship. I explain it like this to people that life is. I think most people will leave this that life at the core. There's this principle of seed time and harvest. It's just escaped You so you reap. But what we do it when we have an ownership mindset is we think we decide and control what we reap. And when we do that, we get confused about how we should sow. Because we're trying to, we're trying to determine the results of our life. So I break that down further with people and say that if life is seedtime, and harvest, it's really four seasons. The first one and this see these were seasons repeat themselves over and over. But first, it's preparing the ground, digging up the ground of one's life, preparing it for that second season, which is seed time. And then the third one before harvest is, I call it the waiting or the wondering or the wandering, or the worrying that's like, is my life going to work out? But what I like to call that third season I like to call it sipping tea. Because as human beings, all we can do is work the ground of our Life, sow seeds in that ground, and then sip some tea reflecting the posture of, I'm okay with the results not being up to me. Now I trust that good seeding and groundwork is going to lead the results. But what oftentimes people do is they decide that last category they decide the harvest. And if it doesn't look like what they planned it to be, they become disenchanted, disillusioned, discouraged. And when a person becomes discouraged, where they stopped doing, working the ground and sowing the seeds in then you now you have a cycle set up where you are going to have no harvest praise, you stop sowing seeds and work on the ground. And so I don't know how we got into all that but that concept of you talk about taking the pressure off when a person is okay with saying You know, yeah, I don't control the results in my life. It doesn't make us lame. It doesn't mean we're like, oh, I don't have any responsibility. It makes us bold about doing our part and trusting the rest, instead of forcing the result. It's so liberating to people. Oftentimes it comes up in conversation that people feel like especially when middle aged men go through this middle aged men, they say they say this, I feel like I'm missing it with my life. That feeling the feeling of swinging and missing over and over and over again, the feeling of swinging and missing for years, like you're just striking out like everyday just striking out. And oftentimes what it is, is years ago, they decided to harvest in a way they didn't need to decide it. Like who said Your life is your life has to look like that to matter, who said that you have to be the president of the company. For your life to matter, who said that for you to serve God, you have to be called a pastor and get paid by a church. And oftentimes when people realize that, that they set up a harvest result that they never have, they no longer had, they didn't have to set up. They can get back to this boldly living their life, taking their talents and abilities, and just using it like seeds to sow into the world. And be joyful in that and bold about that. And I know this, God will not be mocked. When a person takes their life and they sew it into the world. They just give what they've got, that there's going to be results that come from that. But to think that we control the results. We're setting ourselves up for disillusionment and discouragement.

Joe Pomeroy

Alright, so question on that. A lot of business practices, a lot of relationship practices. Talk about having like a vision story, knowing your destination Having a place to go to. So do you feel like what you just expressed is in conflict with that, or is it a different perspective? Or tell me more about that?

Mark Delaney

That's a great, that's a great question. Oftentimes people who write books, they write it from the perspective of the place they arrived at. Let's go back to the forest analogy. Let's say someone blazes a trail through a forest, and then they arrive somewhere. And then they take a helicopter and look down at this trail that they blazed. And they come up with 10 steps based upon what they did. Now, this story, of course, is a great story. And I think there's inspiration and wisdom to be gained from it. But at the same time, every single one of us, we are blazing that trail through the forest and reading the story of what someone else did. There's some inspiration There's some wisdom, but it cannot replace me taking my right leg and taking my next step. And then taking my left leg and taking my next step. I find this as I find this is so pivotal that there is that's such a good question. I would love to camp on this for hours. Because Because here's the cycle, that I was really threatened by this. And I think many people are, who are striving to do things. We start reading the book about how to do something. And then you read the next book on how to do something. You're like, Oh, I need that. And I did that. I need that. I need that. When, when do we have enough to just take our step? Yeah. So there's a rule. There's a rule that I use for myself, and that is, if I read a book, I'm not reading another one till I take my next step because no amount of information can replace The necessity of me taking a step. And so there's really, there's really two rules that that guide everything on this journey I'm on because when I started three years ago, I had a mission and a passion. I didn't have a clue how to do it. Not a clue. There's two things that keep me on this journey. One is trusting the people that are right under my nose. I'm not going out there to find the most famous name or the greatest author, and they're good look, they have great information. But what is more useful than a human being that knows me and trusts me? And I know them and trust them? And they say, Hey, Mark, have you thought about this? Man? How valuable is that? If my life is in a forest and I'm on a journey? I mean, I can't read a book that some guy wrote on a different continent. But how about the person? That's right next to me, my friend john. And he's like, Mark, you know what I see? How valuable is that? So number one, trusting the people in your life in the second thing is just taking the next step, the next one step. That's why anytime pick a book and not go, here's 10 steps to something I'm like, I can only take one. So I don't know if this book's gonna help me or not, because I can only take one step. So it's just one step.

Joe Pomeroy

Yeah, I like what you shared about you had a mission and a passion and that set you on this course for the next three years. So even even within that is a vision of what you wanted, where you wanted to go and what you wanted to do, or the why you wanted to do it. I think the mistake people make when creating a vision of of what they would like it if we use that harvest analogy, it's this row is going to be zucchini and all of them are going to be perfectly healthy and each plant is going to grow 15 zucchini and then this row is going to be corn and each stock is going to produce X amount and and so on and so on. And then the plants grow. And there's a plant one that maybe didn't produce any, or one that produce three. And suddenly I'm a failure because the results are not what I decided they ought to be. But you still need to know. Why am I telling this ground? What seeds Am I planting? What? What purpose Am I pursuing? What meaningful purpose Am I pursuing with the hope that these results will come of it? But regardless, I will have contentment joy, because I know that I did the work. I know that I'm trusting the process. And whatever outcome takes place is an advancement within my purpose and will lead to the next step.

Mark Delaney

The purpose statement we help that's it. You got me all excited. I've because I really I really hate to see people get discouraged for no reason. Just for no reason. Just Just because Look at it the wrong way. Yeah. Here's some advice I gave a young man recently. He's a very talented designer, graphic designer. And he said, My goal is to, to eventually lead a team of designers. And I told him that I know mo enough, I was just straightforward. I said, that's kind of stupid. Like, that's so I said, That's simple.

Joe Pomeroy

That's why people don't go to the person next to them. That's why they go to this, this guru on another continent so that they can give Yes, whatever surface information that makes them feel good.

Mark Delaney

Right? You are so right, and you can take the information you want to take from them. And you can brush to the side of the information you don't want to take from them.

Joe Pomeroy

We run from hard truth sometimes.

Mark Delaney

Yeah. In the people that see us are the ones that are best at being able to tap into it. So I said, You are so talented. You have a broad array of skill sets, great leap for a young guy, you got a lot of leadership in you, you're such a good communicator. You've got great vision and mission. I was like, why would you limit your life to what this to this one thing? What if all of these abilities you have in design, and you come up with you just you stumble into By the way, I think some of the greatest things in life we stumble into you stumble into this business you can start that has to do with selling some product in the best way you do it is by using your design skills. But you're actually doing this thing over here that just uses those skills. Is that okay? Are you going to limit the scope of your life and your abilities by I must be a designer over a team of designers. It'd be fine if you do that. But so if that's your goal, then you get there. Then what? Like Well, I've reached my goal. Now I'm just like, I just repeat this rest of my life. I just think we really limit ourselves with some of the goals we have.

Joe Pomeroy

Yeah, that's, that's really interesting. Because if we miss what is at the core of what you're sharing, then some of these statements could have come across as contradictory. Because before we talked about being on that path, and we see these trees, and within those trees are shiny objects, and we don't want to chase those things. But now there's this young man who says, I'm going to stay on this path at the graphic designer, and you say, Oh, no, that's stupid. You're limiting yourself. And it's like, oh, like, What are you telling me? I don't understand. But it all comes back to this fundamental element that you must understand your meaningful purpose. Hmm. Because if you know that, that's your path is the meaningful purpose. Yeah, but the things that come on to your path, whether it's leading a team, whether it's a business you can promote with your graphic design skill, you can determine is this in line With my meaningful purpose, yeah, but you got to know that purpose.

Mark Delaney

Yeah, the path is not, I'm going to have this occupation. The path is not, I'm going to work here for this long and then move to the state and retire here. The path is our mindset. Yes, it's mindset. It's how we look at our life. It's how we look at ourself in other people. And definitely, that path does have a lot to do with our purpose, and how we look at purpose without a doubt. You said, You said that very well. You said it very well.

Joe Pomeroy

Well, thank you. I didn't even practice. I just favorite you're inspiring me Mark. I love it. So that's, man, there's so much goodness here. And it really, it really it's about having that foundation. I mean, go back to what you said at the beginning. You have that foundation. You can build whatever type of structure you want on top of that foundation. You may have a blueprint and then decide it gets changed or, or, you know, God directs you to do something else what whatever it may be. But if you've got that foundation, what you can build is limitless. Incredible. Yeah, there's there's nothing about this conversation that becomes an excuse to avoid pursuing excellence. Yeah. It's about having that foundation to know what type of excellence you want to build. And then how you can use that excellence to serve others, which is what you're doing is you're pursuing your mission and passion.

Mark Delaney

Yeah, you're right that what many people do is they look at that they imagine that thing they're building above the surface, and they start sticking two by fours in dirt. And without a foundation, it doesn't matter what you build. It's not going to stay in. But with a foundation. It doesn't matter what you build. It's going to stand. Yeah. In the operative tivities are just the opportunities are incredible. I mean, even when in our sort three years of this mission, we're on this, I just told someone today we are following. I feel like we are following our mission more than our missions following us, like, things are just growing in our life and happening. I'm like, oh, that happened. So I guess I should do something with that, like, this purpose mastermind. It was never a plan like, Oh, I'm gonna develop this purpose mastermind and I'm gonna it just these discussions happened. And then we had it with this conversation with these couples. And this one lady is a is a designer and she said, Can I turn this whole discussion into a booklet for coaching? And I'm like, Yes. I don't know how you're going to do that. And I sent her these, this eight page document of our notes and our content. And she came back with this thing. This blew my mind like, how did you do that? And then someone else went through the process. Ram this man and he said, I was out of booklets I made 100 to start, I'm like, I don't know. And they just went and, and he said, I want to pay for the next batch. I'm like, Okay. And then this guy went through it, who's in Australia? He went through it. And he's like, I want you to do this with students in Australia. And I'm like, Okay, I'll do that. And then these other couples went through it. And this one couple said, we want to do this with you. I was like, Okay, let's do that. I'm telling you the most here's the beautiful thing about stewardship is it allows us to be postured for the wonderful things that just happen through our life, not things we're forcing to happen. I oftentimes tell people when it comes to the next step in life, just move forward. You're single hit it. If you imagine a flight of stairs, you just move Oh, there's this step. And it's like, honestly, that's a lot of my journey. I just keep moving forward and get my stuff. hit on a step. And so I take it. And I think much of life is like that and when we're okay not controlling the results. And instead, we can have this foundational strong purpose that we just get up every day. And we're excited to do it and give it and bring it. It's so liberating. It's so it's so freeing, and I learned some of it the hard way. I left my job three years ago, because I was like, I gotta do something. There's more than me, I gotta give. The first thing I did is experience high blood pressure for the first time. I think where that come from, it was trying to make stuff happen. So I've stopped trying to make stuff happen. And I just, I just look to give and just keep showing up and just keep, keep doing the process.

Joe Pomeroy

I love it. Enjoy the process, trust the process, the results will take care of themselves. Thank you Mark so much for your time right now when we wrap things up. Two questions I always ask. First one is what What is the one principle you would like most for the listeners to walk away with? And second, how can we keep in touch with you follow you learn more about your program, all that good stuff,

Mark Delaney

huh? The one principle, I, we didn't talk about vulnerability that was on the docket. But I want all of your people to have one conversation with one person that's under their nose. If one thing could move and make a shift, and every person listening to this is if they would go to one trusted source and simply say a sentence that begins with I'm struggling with and finish that sentence. I don't care what you're struggling with. have that conversation. They say that over half the people in America are feel like they're living a life on their own. And it's true. We live life on our own doesn't have to be that way. So if there's one thing I would say to your listeners, go have one conversation this week that you need to have with a trusted source. Go Do it, it'll cause a ripple effect. And as far as staying in touch with me, webs website is Mark delaney.me. I do a lot of video content on on Facebook, Mark delaney.me on Facebook, my favorite series is on there. It's on how to change. And that's basically the lessons I learned when I lost 100 pounds in one second. And then lost 62 pounds after that. But anyway, so I have a series of 10 videos that's free on the on the Facebook page on how to change a podcast, I'll throw out the podcast, my life platform is our podcast, my son and I do that together. And so anyway, thank you for having me on your show.

Joe Pomeroy

I love it. Yeah, my pleasure will have the website, podcast links to all that stuff. We'll have that in the show notes that everybody can check out and to add on everybody when you go have that one conversation. Remember something that we've been talking about throughout, don't worry About the results, let go of that. Just go. trust the process. Enjoy that process. Do what Mark said go have that one conversation. That's perfect. Thank you so much mark.

Mark Delaney

Thank you.